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Indian Tribes Make Own Cigarettes

Seeded on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:37 AM EST
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ONEIDA, N.Y. — The trucks lumber past cornfields and dilapidated farm houses, pull up to a onetime bingo hall and unload their cargo: boxes of tobacco imported from the Carolinas.

Inside, employees of the Oneida Indian Nation dump the shredded tobacco leaves into rolling machines and fashion them into cigarettes to be sold at a dozen tribal convenience stores midway between Syracuse and Utica.

The cigarettes, branded with names like Niagara’s and Bishop, sell for as little as $39.95 for a 10-pack carton — much cheaper than those at non-Indian retailers — and bring in millions of dollars a year to the tribe, which also has a resort casino, five golf courses and a multimedia production house.

The Oneidas’ cigarette manufacturing business is part of a new strategy that is quickly being embraced among New York’s eight federally recognized Indian tribes. After years of fighting a losing battle against the state over the taxation of name-brand cigarettes sold on reservations, many are now manufacturing their own cigarettes.

The tribes argue that because they are sovereign nations, the cigarettes they make are exempt from the state’s $4.35-a-pack excise tax, the highest in the United States. But the tobacco industry and owners of other convenience stores say tribal cigarette manufacturing is just an elaborate form of tax evasion.

The administration of Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, which pursued the legal fight to tax name-brand cigarettes sold on reservations, asserts that New York has the right to tax Indian-made cigarettes sold to non-Indians. But it has done little to test or enforce that claim, leaving the tribes, at least for the moment, free to sell their own cigarettes at cut-rate prices to any and all comers.

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ambivalent

We tried poverty for 200 years,” the Oneidas’ leader, Ray Halbritter, said in an interview. “We decided to try something different.”

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:42 AM EST
luckydog

I am against smoking for a number of reasons but good for them.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:16 PM EST
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Spikegary

After years and years of fighting with New York State over tax on smokes, New York finally imposed the tax on distributors before the smokes got to the reservation retail outlets. Now the Native Americans are using their own distribution network out of the each of New York State. Each reservation is recognized as Sovereign Nation Territory, so why should the state be able to force their way in to fill their own coffers? If they succeed at this, what's next-taxing everything else on the reservation?

This is governmental overreachin at it's worst. And yet, New York still does not pay the Senecas for the use of their sovereign land that the thruway (I-90) crosses, west of Buffalo. Sad.

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:33 PM EST
FlNutmegger

Classic White Man, Red Man set up. White Man take, Red Man gives, gets screwed, and doesn't even get the cigarette. tsula

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:42 PM EST
Zero-

your right FIN but it can only stop when we finally accepts the fact that the natives are human and have rights. first we take there land when they help us. then when they fight telling us that they were here first. we tell them that they are savages and need the light of God. then we take and take till they have nothing left execpt there pride. and we crush that too.

and now we have audacity to take there home made cigarettes. im sorry but this is jacked up

  • 7 votes
#2.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:54 PM EST
ambivalent

capt.ace, what you say is exactly right. All the NA tribles need the whites to speak and act in their favors. Surely there are enough moral people amongst us?

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:41 PM EST
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Arkansas Gloria

No more Government over reach- aren't we sick of our 'Uncle Sam'?

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:52 PM EST
luckydog

This isn't Uncle Sam but the state of New York vs a sovereign nation. Uncle Sam should tell New York to knock it off. I guess you could say this is federal government 'under reach'.

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:17 PM EST
Spikegary

I understand that local businesses don't want to deal with what they consider unfair competition. The simple thing is, they are a sovereign nation and NY State doesn't have any business trying to rgulate their trade.

  • 5 votes
#3.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:35 PM EST
ambivalent

Well, if they look back into our NY history with the Senecas they will see plenty of unfairness.

  • 4 votes
#3.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:42 PM EST
Arkansas Gloria

Luckydog-

I wasn't speaking about our Federal Government this time, using the term 'Uncle Sam'. It was intended to be inclusive of 'government' doing harm to the Indians again- and trying to force a decision on them, when it is quite clear they have a sovereign nation status. It is a good thing they have that status, or they would still be living poor, on the reservations, or at least out of sight and mind of the ones that couldn't care less if they ever did well. Kinda feels familiar, huh?

  • 1 vote
#3.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:11 AM EST
luckydog

Yup.

  • 2 votes
#3.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:45 AM EST
FlNutmegger

Sure, but when was the last time you saw the government, Federal or State, abide by a treaty with the First People? In fact, just when have they ever abided by their supposed sworn word? tsula of the Tsalagi

  • 5 votes
#3.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:43 AM EST
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Kavika

Good for them. What part of sovereign nation don't they understand.

ambivalent, if you look far enough back you'll find that the Seneca saved Geo. Washington azz at Valley Forge. Goggle ''Polly Cooper Seneca''...A fascinating history of the Seneca and the their support in the Revolutionary War.

  • 7 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:36 PM EST
rochart

What part of sovereign nation don't they understand.

I guess it must be the part where the sovereign nation does not sell out to the big guy on the block.

I support their efforts to remain free and un-taxed.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:21 PM EST
ambivalent

Thank you Kavika. Here is a short hisory and a bronze tribute at the Smithsonian.

oneidaindiannation.com/culture/preservinghistory/Allies-in-War-Partners-in-Peace

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:01 AM EST
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